Matt and Nic return for deals of the week, joined for the first time by new member of CIV Ria Bhutoria. In this episode: 

• An update on Matt’s Turkey problem
• Will Matt create OTB Turkey Jerky?
• Will Matt tase the Turkeys?
• Is monetizing stranded natural gas good for the environment?
• Elon ‘proves Bitcoin’s liquidity’
• Elon admits to having a personal Bitcoin position
• Nexon announces a $100m Bitcoin buy
• Is US Bank getting into Bitcoin custody?
• German regulators warn about Binance’s equity tokens
• Do NFTs make sense for collectible card trading game studios?
• Genesis originates $20b worth of new loans

Content mentioned in this episode

• Square and Ark Invest, Bitcoin is Key to an Abundant, Clean Energy Future [pdf]
• Fidelity and BBH, Applying Subcustody to Digital Assets

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• Sovryn, DeFi on Bitcoin
• Eventus, global leader in trade surveillance, market risk and transaction monitoring solutions

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Andrew Steinwold, the founder of Sfermion, an investment fund focused on investing in themes surrounding the metaverse joins the show. In this episode we discuss:

• Andrew’s journey in the cryptoasset industry and how we came to see the Metaverse as an investable theme
• How NFTs are a critical infrastructure component for the metaverse
• Views on the evolution of digital property rights
• How Andrew views investing in cryptocurrencies vs. NFTs vs. equity
• The companies that are best positioned to build the infrastructure for the metaverse

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Nic and Matt return for another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Nic’s feud with the NYT
• How Lysenkoism fits in
• Issues with the contemporary press
• Coinbase does the biggest direct listing of all time
• Is COIN a trojan horse for Bitcoin?
• Coinbase mafia?
• The best thing about Coinbase being public
• Gary Gensler finally confirmed as SEC chairman
• Our thoughts on Hester Pierce’s token safe harbor 2.0
• How do you do disclosures in token land?
• The former CIA director points out that Bitcoin has less illicit usage then believed

Content mentioned: 

• SEC Commissioner Hester Pierce’s Safe Harbor 2.0
• Nic Carter, On Bitcoin, the Gray Lady Embraces Climate Lysenkoism

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Matt and Nic return for news and deals of the week. In this episode: 

• 43% capital gains taxes?
• Are decentralized storage networks reaching fruition
• Binance US hires ex-Comptroller Brian Brooks
• Matt’s Turkey problem
• A Turkish exchange apparently exit scams
• Scott Minerd has a new target for Bitcoin
• Bernstein isn’t worried about Bitcoin’s energy consumption
• Ark Invest thinks Bitcoin is an incentive for renewables
• How much did Bitcoin hashrate really collapse?
• What did we learn from the Xinjiang shutdown?
• Why hashrate is hard to estimate
• Xinjiang is more renewable than you think

Content mentioned in this episode: 

• Alliance Bernstein, Is Bitcoin ESG Friendly for Equity Investors?
• Square and Ark Invest, Bitcoin is Key to an Abundant, Clean Energy Future [pdf]

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• Sovryn, DeFi on Bitcoin
• Eventus, global leader in trade surveillance, market risk and transaction monitoring solutions

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Dmitry Tokarev, the cofounder and CEO of Copper joins the show. In this episode we discuss:

• Dmitry’s path to crypto and the pain points that led him to starting Copper
• How Dmitry sees the competitive landscape and how legacy financial firms are reacting
• How MPC enables Copper to quickly add support for new blockchain platforms
• Views on what it’s like to hire in a rapidly growing startup
• Outlook for settlement and custody services in the years to come

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The Block’s Director of Research Larry Cermak and Research Analyst Mike Rogers join the show to talk through their latest report on stablecoins. In this episode: 

• Why the Block chose to focus on stablecoins for this report
• Larry and Mike’s opinion on why stablecoins are so disproportionately dollar-based
• China’s influence in the Tether market
• The history of Tether and why it attained so much traction initially
• How you can determine the location of stablecoin users
• The Tetherification for offshore exchanges – and how it displaced Bitcoin as the reserve asset
• The influence of USDC in DeFi and whether it represents a systemic risk to the sector
• Dai’s transition to non-native collateral types
• Mike and Larry’s view of algorithmic stablecoins
• Why stablecoins are so divisive between economists and crypto entrepreneurs
• Why Tether’s dominance is declining
• Where the NYAG settlement leaves Tether now
• What Larry makes of USDT on TRON stealing some market share from Ethereum
• Why investors are settling deals in stablecoin terms
• The prospects for Libra/Diem
• Mike and Larry’s expectations for the next decade in stablecoins

Related content: 

• The Block’s report on Stablecoins 
• The OTB Crypto-dollarization series

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Matt and Nic are back for deals and news of the week. In this episode: 

• Nic ‘debates’ Steve Hanke
• Update on the FUD Dice
• Nic attempts to send a wire to Poland
• NYDIG raises more capital and adds more insurance companies to their roster
• Coinbase Q1 earnings are out
• Grayscale wants to roll GBTC into an ETF
• Tom Brady is launching an NFT platform
• Peter Thiel’s comments on Bitcoin
• The DC/EP may come with expiration dates

Content mentioned in the episode:

• Nic vs Steve Hanke debate

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Matthew Mežinskis, creator of the Crypto Voices Global Monetary Base project joins the show to discuss how Bitcoin stacks up against sovereign currencies. In this episode: 

• The difference between base money and broad money
• Why Bitcoin should be compared to base money and not the broad money supply
• How exchanges are serving as proto free banks – and why they might end up becoming transparent fractional reserve institutions
• How free banking actually worked
• Why unrestricted banking activity tends to equilibrate with single digit reserve ratios
• How the Scottish free banking system was stable despite fractional reserve
• How Bitcoin improves upon gold in a free banking system
• The role of Proof of Reserve in a neo free banking system
• The bankruptcy of the Ayr Bank and what it tells us about the Scottish banking system
• Why ‘free banking’ in the US wasn’t really free
• Bitcoin passes the Swiss Franc
• Where Bitcoin stacks up relative to all the major sovereign base monies

Follow Matthew on Twitter and check out the Monetary Base project. 

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Jeth Soetoyo, the founder and CEO of Pintu, a cryptoasset brokerage based on Indonesia joins the show. In this episode we discuss:

• Jeth’s path to the cryptoasset industry and his journey from Consensys to business school to founding Pintu
• Views on stablecoin adoption and how Jeth and team are approaching this with their Rupiah Token project
• The Indonesian market and how Pintu is approaching this market opportunity
• View on DeFi and how centralized infrastructure companies are positioned

To learn more about Pintu visit www.pintu.co.id and follow Jeth @Jeth_Soetoyo

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Michael Greenwald is a former U.S. Treasury official with expertise in sanctions programs and using USD infrastructure to promote policy objectives. In this episode: 

• What the weaponization of the dollar really means
• How sanctions mechanically work
• How Treasury and the State Dept carry out sanctions
• The risk of sanctions wearing blunt as a tool 
• The growth of sanctions post 9/11
• How sanctions against Russia represented a sea change in policy
• How the US deputizes SWIFT for sanctions
• How and why Europeans tried to route around US sanctions on Iran
• Is the US led international order fraying?
• China’s attempt to build a parallel financial infrastructure to challenge the dollar
• The objectives of the Belt and Road Initiative
• The purpose of the digital yuan
• Can the yuan challenge the primacy of the dollar in the international system?
• How China uses the belt and road initiative to advance the yuan
• How the US should react to China’s aggressive move into closer economic relationships with the third world
• What a digital US dollar or CBDC might look like
• How the US can reassert dominance in the international sphere
• Michael’s thoughts on stablecoins and Bitcoin

Read Michael’s paper, The Future of the US Dollar

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Nic and Matt return for news and deals of the week. In this episode: 

• A crisis with our dice manufacturers
• Visa will enable USDC settlements on their payment network
• Paypal turns on Bitcoin payments for 29m merchants
• Are Paypal transactions actual Bitcoin expenditures?
• Sillvergate working with Fidelity to provide Bitcoin-backed loans
• SEC charges LBRY with securities law violations
• Are founders taking the wrong lessons from SEC inaction?
• Jay Clayton is now advising OneRiver on their digital asset strategy
• Tether publishes a new attestation
• The merit of real time attestations for stablecoins
• The CME launches a Bitcoin microfutures
• The Boston Fed will be open sourcing some of their CBDC code
• Will we ever get a retail CBDC in the USA?
• NFTs make it to SNL
• A new pasta shape just dropped
• Nic syncs his Umbel node

Content mentioned in this episode:

• Nic on Medium, Noahbjectivity on Bitcoin Mining
• Nic on the Lex Fridman podcast
• NFT skit on SNL

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Rafael Cosman, cofounder and CEO of TrustToken, joins the show to talk stablecoins and TrueFi, their non-fully collateralized lending protocol. In this episode: 

• TrustToken’s various stablecoins that they administer
• The real-time stablecoin attestations TrustToken has done with Armanino
• How a real time attestation works
• Why the USD is so disproportionate in market share among stablecoins
• Why DeFi is potentially the killer app for stablecoins today
• Why Trust Token built a global fx currency basket
• Why overcollateralized lending doesn’t necessarily constitute lending in the traditional sense
• How TrueFi introduces uncollateralized lending into DeFi
• How underwriting and credit creation works in a public blockchain context
• How legal contracts are introduced into DeFi
• Howo the TrueFi system incorporates revisions in creditworthiness
• How on-chain credit scores could proliferate and be used on a cross-platform basis
• How privacy is compatible with on-chain credit scoring
• Rafael’s explanation for structurally high interest rates in DeFi
• The contrast between crypto yields and legacy yields

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James Davolos, VP and portfolio manager at Horizon Kinetics, joins the show to make the case for inflation and to explain their Inflation Beneficiaries ETF, ticker $INFL. In this episode: 

• How Horizon and Murray Stahl were one of the earliest asset managers to put client assets in GBTC
• How Horizon’s value approach landed them at a Bitcoin allocation
  James’ reaction when Horizon first made the Bitcoin allocation
• Whether Bitcoin is a growth or a value asset, and how to reason about it from either perspective
• James’ reaction to Jerome Powell’s announcement on rates
• The genesis of the idea to create an inflation beneficiaries ETF
• James’ case for inflation
• Should the disinflationists be taking victory laps?
• Why the Fed is calling inflation ‘transitory’
• Why we didn’t get inflation from 2010-20
• What crystallized the case for inflation for Horizon Kinetics?
• The importance of the ‘taper tantrum’
• Why historical parallels are so hard to find – and why we have no historical precedent for our current moment
• How the dollar is the ‘least rotten apple’
• The prospects for a non-dollar monetary system
• The effect of ESG on commodity cycles
• How fiscal spending and the political anti-capital movement represents a structural shift
• The constant battle between capital and labor
• Why equities may suffer from higher labor costs
• Why Horizon focuses on asset light companies
• James’ answer to the equity-inflation return puzzle
• Horizon’s specific allocations to benefit from inflation
• The early success of the Inflation Beneficiaries ETF
• Why the inflation beneficiaries ETF does not contain Bitcoin
• How this ETF sets itself apart from other ways to play inflation – and why TIPS aren’t the best bet
• Is the thesis playing out so far?
• Why the Fed has to remain subtle with their debasement
• James’ pitch to Bitcoiners 

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Nic and Matt are back for another blockbuster week. In this episode: 

• How Nic ended up being labeled the most violent person on Earth
• Fidelity files for their Wise Origin Bitcoin ETF
• The significance of Fidelity’s filing today
• Can the GBTC product actually be redeemed by a majority of shareholders?
• Amendments to the GBTC charter
• Odds of the SEC finally seeing the light on the ETF
• Why an ETF approval is more urgent than ever
• The toppiest top signal ever making us nervous
• FATF is back with a vengeance
• Jack Dorsey includes a Blockclock in his Congressional testimony
• Is Bitcoin a battery?

Content mentioned: 

• Peter Johnson, Crypto Credit Market Breakdown
• Nic Carter, The Frustrating, Maddening, All-Consuming Bitcoin Energy Debate
• Nick Grossman, Bitcoin as a Battery

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Dan Tapiero, the Managing Partner or 10T Holdings joins the show. In this episode we discuss:

• Dan’s pre-crypto career as a macro manager and entrepreneur and the path that led him to founding 10T Holdings
• The institutional narrative for Bitcoin and cryptoassets and how this thesis interplays with gold
• Views on layer one smart contract platforms and how to think about value accrual on these networks
• How Dan is approaching growth stage opportunities in this industry

To learn more about 10T visit: 10tfund.com

Follow Dan on Twitter @DTAPCAP

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Nic and Matt return for another week of deals and news. In this episode: 

• We announce onthebrink.shop
• What was Robby Gutmann from NYDIG rumoring on our recent episode?
• Morgan Stanley opens up their platform to Bitcoin funds
• A new taxonomy for NFTs
• Bridging the gap between NFT fans and skeptics
• Why NFTs are not bearer assets and are liabilities of an issuer
• We break down a popular thread debunking NFTs
• Bitmex Research publishes a book on the blocksize war
• BoFa publishes a very bad report on Bitcoin
• India dithers on their cryptocurrency ban
• The parallels between the crypto wars of the 90s and state bans today
• Is there a double standard for Bitcoin versus other ETFs at the SEC?
• Is Gensler a grey swan for crypto markets?
• The SEC is officially on the clock for a new ETF application
• Why FTX should not buy the naming rights to the Miami Heat stadium

Content referenced in this episode: 

• Nic Carter on Medium, Why NFTs are Hard to Explain
• Twitter thread on NFTs by Jonty
• BitMEX Research publishes ‘The Blocksize War’
• SEC Comissioner Hester Pierce’s speech, Paper, Plastic, Peer to Peer 

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Dennison Bertram and Raf Solari, the founders of Tally join the show. In this episode we discuss:

• Dennison and Raf’s career journeys into crypto and to founding Tally
• The current state of DeFi and how they think about an emerging taxonomy of projects
• Views on how voting and user interaction with DeFi protocols are evolving
• Comparison to legacy financial services like proxy voting
• How Tally is engaging with open-source communities to promote user engagement

To learn more about Tally visit www.withtally.com

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Robby Gutmann, CEO and Co-founder of NYDIG, and Co-founder of Stone Ridge, joins the show to talk about his firm’s Bitcoin and digital asset ambitions. In this episode: 

• The origins of NYDIG and Stone Ridge
• NYDIG’s product suite and differentiation 
• NYDIG’s deliberate pro-Bitcoin stance 
• Why Bitcoin is such a compelling opportunity to Robby
• Bitcoin’s pace of development 
• How much attention NYDIG pays to core development
• Is there a contradiction between open source money and institutionalization? 
• What explains client enthusiasm for Bitcoin in 2021

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Nic and Matt return for another intense week of deals. In this episode: 

• New Bitcoin FUD dice?
• Is there any new Bitcoin FUD?
• Beeple sells an NFT for $69m
• Are NFTs art or the autograph?
• The missing link for NFTs – where do you show off your NFTs and demonstrate status?
• One issue with NFTs and IP
• Is NY Life getting into crypto?
• Norwegian oil billionaire embraces Bitcoin
• DCG buys back GBTC to bring it back to NAV
• Scenarios for how GBTC redemption occurs
• Why GBTC trading at a discount is better for retail investors
• Moneygram and Ripple are no longer partners
• Grayscale hires an entire ETF team
• Should the US start a strategic Bitcoin reserve?
• Why Bitcoin makes sense for central banks
• Why CBDCs will never provide real cash-like assurances

Content mentioned: 

• Aker Shareholder Letter

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Matthew Le Merle, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Fifth Era and Blockchain Coinvestors joins the show. In this episode we discuss:

• Matthew’s views on The Rise of Generation C and some of the trends he foresaw ten years ago
• Views on the GameStop / WSB saga and what this portends for the financial markets in the years to come
• The state of the cryptoasset market and the infrastructure that is being deployed in 2021
• How he thinks about approaching this industry as a leading fund of funds

Learn more about Blockchain Coinvestors at their website and follow Matthew on Twitter @mlemerle 

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