Pluto is a veteran of DeFi and cross chain systems, with prior stints at Thorchain and Airswap, now building Harbor, a native asset DEX. In this episode, we talk about the KelpDAO exploit and how DeFi can regain people’s trust. Nic sits down with him to discuss:

• What exactly happened with the KelpDAO/ Aave hack?
• Will new AI models make hackers more proficient?
• Is advanced AI a defensive or offensive technology for smart contracts?
• Why protocol exposures are often not on chain
• Why DeFi might want to segregate execution from settlement
• Is it possible to have instant settlement and proactive monitoring
• Do we have anything to learn from DeFi
• What could Aave have done different?
• Where did LayerZero go wrong?
• Can DeFi work if there are occasional freezes and seizures?
• Pluto’s reflections on Thorchain
• What Thorchain did right
• Arbitrum’s questionable precedent
• What Pluto is building with Harbor
• Where does DeFi go from here?

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Matt and Nic are back for another week of news and deals:

• The Finding Satoshi documentary has a new guess
• Was it Hal or Len?
• Could Satoshi have been a team?
• Why Stylometry might not reveal Satoshi
• Why the cypherpunks were interested in resurrection
• What happened with KelpDAO?
• Is DeFi cooked?
• Is Arbitrum decentralized?
• The Paris temperature market was manipulated
• Coinbase releases their highly-anticipated quantum risk report
• Performance tradeoffs for post-quantum signature schemes
• SBF was a good investor
• The Justin Sun WLFI saga continues
• Did an Indian tanker fall victim to a crypto scam in the Strait of Hormuz? 

Content mentioned in this episode:

• Finding Satoshi Documentary
• Fidelity Digital Assets, Getting Off Zero: Evaluating Bitcoin in 2026
• Coinbase, Quantum report

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Brandon Arvanaghi, the co-founder and CEO of Meow, joins the show. In this episode we discuss:

• The rise of agentic payments and the convergence of LLMs and financial services.
• Meow’s approach to banking the agentic economy.
• How financial services firms and banks will need to evolve in order to service AI agents.
• Meow’s product roadmap.

Meow recently made history as the first fintech to enable AI agents to open business bank accounts and virtual cards. Meow has been building the banking and treasury infrastructure for crypto-native and VC-backed companies for several years now. This includes USDC/USDT rails, stablecoin card programs, treasury management, and FX. To learn more about Meow visit meow.com

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Matt and Nic are back for more news and deals: 

• Jameson Lopp’s BIP361 gets an official BIP number
• What about an official salvage process for the quantum-vulnerable Satoshi coins
• What about recycling Satoshi’s bitcoins into long-term tail emissions
• Why the Satoshi freeze war will be unlike the Blocksize war
• Kraken confidential files for an IPO
• The SEC says defi frontends might not be broker dealers even if they list tokenized securities
• Goldman files for a Bitcoin ETF
• WLFi is having a feud with Justin Sun
• Ether Machine, an Ethereum DAT winds down
• There is a new Satoshi documentary coming out
• There is an A-list Hollywood movie coming out about Craig Wright
• Leo Aschenbrenner’s secret
• Tether invests into Drift Protocol post-hack
• Why is USDC refusing to freeze funds after hacks?
• Do we need an “on-chain” Chancery Court for blockchains

Content mentioned on this episode:

• Nic on X, How to resolve the matter of the Satoshi coins without a freeze

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Matt and Nic are back with another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• The New York Times thinks Adam Back is Satoshi
• The problems with the NYT’s analysis
• The case for Len Sassaman
• The case for Satoshi not being alive
• Could Satoshi be a group?
• Why Satoshi might be discovered this year
• Morgan Stanley launches their Bitcoin ETF
• Scott Bessent asks for Congress to pass Clarity
• The White House finds that stablecoin yield would not harm the banking system
• Kalshi secures a key win in a NJ appeals court
• Anthropic’s Mythos model is exposing vulnerabilities
• CZ is publishing a memoir
• Will Hormuz tolls be payable in Bitcoin?

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Connor Dougherty, Co-Founder and CEO of Valinor Digital, joins the show. In this episode:

• Connor’s background working at a large private credit shop
• Pioneering a new category of Open Credit and how it expands the TAM for private credit
• Explosion of stablecoin demand enabling new borrowing types
• Structuring deals to align with traditional private capital and onchain lending
• Building a modern credit institution by utilizing technology

See more at valinordigital.com

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Matt and Nic are back for another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• The significance of the new Google and Oratomic papers on quantum computing and ECC256
• Why short range attacks are now part of the threat model
• Is Nic conflicted out from discussing quantum?
• What will be the fate of the Satoshi coins?
• What maritime law and shipwreck recovery tells us about the fate of Satoshi’s coins
• Drift protocol is hacked
• Gary Gensler does not like prediction markets
• DATs are selling BTC

Content mentioned in this episode:

• Cain et al, Shor’s algorithm is possible with as few as 10,000 reconfigurable atomic qubits
• Babbush et al, Securing Elliptic Curve Cryptocurrencies against Quantum Vulnerabilities: Resource Estimates and Mitigations

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Matt and Nic are back for another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Circle stock sells off big on a CLARITY yield update compromise
• Tether is doing their first big 4 financial audit
• Who is the CLARITY Act Yield “compromise” good for?
• Why Circle might benefit from closing the yield loophole
• Is no bill better than a bad bill?
• Should Coinbase back the bill?
• Fannie Mae will accept crypto-backed mortgages
• Ethereum Foundation launches their post-quantum roadmap
• Google has revised their quantum transition deadline up to 2029
• Why we will not have a lot of warning regarding quantum risk
• Where is Bitcoin on quantum preparedness?
• Why it’s not all doom and gloom on quantum
• MARA sells $1b worth of BTC

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Matt and Nic are back for another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• What happened with the disastrous Vanity Fair photoshoot
• Kraken postpones their IPO
• The SEC releases long-awaited guidance distinguishing securities from commodities
• A compromise may be developing over stablecoin yield
• The SEC drops their case against Nader Al-Naji
• Phantom gets a no-action letter from the CFTC
• Tempo mainnet launches
• Some regional banks are tokenizing deposits
• Will agentic payments be a thing
• Q-day is creeping closer

Content mentioned:

• Galaxy Research, Bitcoin Is Rising to the Challenge of Quantum Readiness
• Global Risk Institute, Quantum Threat Timeline Report 2025

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Matt and Nic are back for another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Are we in an oil crisis and energy shock
• Binance is suing the WSJ for defamation
• NASDAQ and Kraken partner to bring stocks on chain
• The SEC and CFTC issue an MOU
• Prediction markets need surveillance
• Across is considering converting their token into equity
• The White House’s cyber strategy
• The banks are still fighting about stablecoin yield
• What risks do stablecoins actually pose to banks?

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Matt and Nic are back for another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• What Dario Amodei and SBF have in common
• Trump wades in to the market structure debate and asks the banks to come to the table
• Why stablecoins are not like banks
• Kraken Financial gets a skinny Fed master account
• Visa and Bridge are rolling out stablecoin-linked cards
• The FBI arrests a suspect accused of stealing $46m in BTC from the US marshalls
• Morgan Stanley is coming out with their own Bitcoin ETF
• The Aave token governance controversy rumbles on
• Kalshi’s traders are upset about their “death market” policy

Content mentioned in this episode:

• The CIV Youtube Channel
• Alpen Labs, Size Matters: Architecting BTC Credit Markets

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Alex Wilson, Co-Founder and CEO of Cyclops, joins the show. In this episode:

• Alex’s background running The Giving Block and the company’s acquisition by Shift4
• Difficulty in enabling stablecoin solutions when utilizing existing providers while inside of Shift4
• Backgrounds of the founding team at Cyclops
• Regulatory strategy for Cyclops
• Products: Pay with Crypto (POS, E-Com), Stablecoin Settlement (for Merchants vs. Wire or ACH), Stablecoin Payouts (Payroll, Contractor Payments, Remittance)
• Key features for building specifically for payments companies

See more at cyclops.io

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Dana Syracuse and Josh Boehm of Paul Hastings join the show. In this episode we discuss:

• The OCC Charter process how digital asset companies are pursuing the federal path
• The aftermath of the Genius Act passage and the rulemaking process for this law
• Considerations for Federal vs. State charter pathways
• The market structure bill

Learn more about Paul Hastings 

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Matt and Nic are back with another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Kalshi has detected and banned two accounts for insider trading
• Is Polymarket going to have to add KYC?
• Is there a tradeoff between informational efficiency and market fairness
• The OCC de facto bans stablecoin yield in its rulemaking around GENIUS
• Meta is considering partnering with a stablecoin issuer
• Stripe is bullish in their annual report
• ZachXBT determines that Axiom employees have been abusing the platform
• Terraform labs accuses Jane Street of insider trading
• WSJ reports that Binance overlooked Iranian sanctions violations
• Justin Drake unveils a post-quantum roadmap for Ethereum
• Matt Corallo says Nic is wrong about Bitcoin and quantum

Content mentioned:

• Larry Cermak: How Crypto Actually Works: The Missing Manual

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Matt and Nic are back with another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Crypto VC funds have some dry powder
• CFTC chair Mike Selig asserts jurisdiction over prediction markets relative to the States
• Is Kalshi more reliable than interest rate futures?
• The CLARITY Act inches closer to passing
• Shake up at Gemini
• OpenClaw agents are going to start phishing crypto users
• Bitwise aims to launch prediction market ETFs
• Bridge gets their OCC charter
• Hyperliquid launches a lobbying arm
• DAT hangover continues
• Blockfills reveals a $75m hole
• Ethereum is having an identity crisis
• Base is moving away from Optimism
• Neel Kashkari’s bad faith stablecoin criticism

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Wyatt sits down with Raj Parekh, Head of Stablecoins and Payments at Monad. In this episode:

• Will enterprises build out their own stablecoin solutions?
• Will card payments continue to grow, or be challenged by other forms of payments?
• What is the role of governments in driving whether stablecoin adoption will continue, accelerate, or decelerate?
• How does Monad work with leading financial organizations?
• Where do you see opportunity for novel tech solutions around stablecoins?
• Will there be many stablecoins or a smaller number of stablecoins at scale?
• Will companies run their own corporate chains?
• How should companies look at embedding stablecoins in their workflows from scratch?

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Matt and Nic are back with another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Matt reflects on the Patriots season
• We review the Superbowl Ads
• Looking forward to the OpenAI wearable
• Is “something big happening” in AI?
• Does crypto accelerate the rise of malicious AI?
• Are all communications networks going to break down in 90 days?
• SBF wants a new trial
• Blackrock adds BUIDL to Uniswap
• Blockfills suspends withdrawals
• Robinhood is internalizing their prediction market product
• The stablecoin yield issue in Clarity is still a problem
• Fairshake is getting active in the midterms
• Is Chris Dixon right about Web3?
• We review winter olympic sports

Content mentioned:

• Chris Dixon, The long game for crypto

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Wyatt sits down with Bhavin, co-founder of Birch Hill to chat about the tokenized asset and DeFi market broadly. In this episode:

• Who is assessing whether cryptoassets are safe in DeFi today?
• Who is assessing risk and ensuring assets are solvent and not fraudulent?
• How have these standards been set and how are they evolving?
• What is a risk curator, how do risk curators make money, and what is their role?
• Is it the responsibility of protocols, curators, wallets, or someone else to protect users from buying bad assets?
• How do you expect non-DeFi-native market participants will start to enter this market?
• Will users eventually buy, hold, and sell assets on protocol interfaces, brokerages / exchanges, or risk curator interfaces?
• Does the Fat Protocol Thesis hold true? Where does value accrue today?

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Matt and Nic are back with another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Bitcoin grapples with the fallout of the Epstein Emails
• Did Jeffrey Epstein influence Bitcoin development?
• Is Bhutan selling their Bitcoin?
• Do Bitcoin devs care about quantum?
• Is Bitcoin Core under the influence with sophons
• Kyle Samani steps back from Multicoin
• What Samani’s departure means for crypto
• Is web3 dead forever?
• Vitalik starts second-guessing the L2-centric roadmap
• Tether is trading at a slight discount

Content mentioned in this episode:

• Nic on Substack, Bitcoin developers are mostly not concerned about quantum risk

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Matt and Nic are back with another week of news and deals. In this episode: 

• Matt is heated about the Belichick HoF vote
• Fidelity launches a stablecoin FIDD on Ethereum
• Market structure passes Senate Ag Cmte
• The White House crypto council is being revived to find a compromise on stablecoin yield
• Fairshake has another war chest for the midterms
• Do stablecoins cause bank deposit contraction?
• Tether has 140 tons of gold now
• Why is Bitcoin not participating in the “debasement” trade?
• Is gold at risk from alchemy?
• People are still worried about quantum
• Will Worldcoin save us from AI bots?
• What’s the solution to the AI slop apocalypse?
• Digital alibis with blockchains

Content mentioned in this episode:

• Niall Ferguson and Manny Rincon-Cruz, Stablecoins Are the Future but Banks will Survive
• McKinsey and Artemis, Stablecoins in payments: What the raw transaction numbers miss

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